Comments on: 170 Members of NYU’s Faculty Release Statement & Petition Calling for Reinstatement of Suspended Take Back NYU Students http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/ Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:35:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Way to go, faculty! http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2675 Way to go, faculty! Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:59:00 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2675 Educating your ungrateful undergraduates yet again! Way to show them how you can accomplish more in 10 minutes than they can in 2 days. Maybe TBNYU could get more of their "demands" met if they crafted an email petition too. Educating your ungrateful undergraduates yet again! Way to show them how you can accomplish more in 10 minutes than they can in 2 days. Maybe TBNYU could get more of their “demands” met if they crafted an email petition too.

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By: Victor http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2611 Victor Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:29:05 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2611 The students don't deserve to be reinstated. I don't see any logical reason for reinstating them. The fact of the matter is, NYU is not suspending them for protesting peacefully. They are being suspended for occupancy of private property. If the students protested in WSP I would be supporting reinstatement as well, but they did cause a huge mess and put the safety of many students at risk. The students don’t deserve to be reinstated. I don’t see any logical reason for reinstating them. The fact of the matter is, NYU is not suspending them for protesting peacefully. They are being suspended for occupancy of private property. If the students protested in WSP I would be supporting reinstatement as well, but they did cause a huge mess and put the safety of many students at risk.

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By: Disappointed http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2603 Disappointed Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:59:17 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2603 I could swear that we used to have protesters with balls. Getting arrested and spending a little time in jail was a source of pride - a way of showing how commited you were to the cause. But now, suspension from a university is whine-worthy? Then again, we were fighting for things a little more serious than: "student groups have priority when reserving space in the buildings owned or leased by New York University, including, and especially, the Kimmel Center." Especially the Kimmel Center!!! I could swear that we used to have protesters with balls. Getting arrested and spending a little time in jail was a source of pride - a way of showing how commited you were to the cause. But now, suspension from a university is whine-worthy?

Then again, we were fighting for things a little more serious than: “student groups have priority when reserving space in the buildings owned or leased by New York University, including, and especially, the Kimmel Center.”

Especially the Kimmel Center!!!

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By: hopeful http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2596 hopeful Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:38:43 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2596 I seriously hope you at TBNYU are taking a critical look at all these criticisms, both constructive and non-constructive. If you are serious about your demands and your goals, it will only be advantageous for you to listen to the public, acknowledge your wrongdoings and failures and use them as learning devices for the future. THAT would be the greatest apology you could offer. I seriously hope you at TBNYU are taking a critical look at all these criticisms, both constructive and non-constructive. If you are serious about your demands and your goals, it will only be advantageous for you to listen to the public, acknowledge your wrongdoings and failures and use them as learning devices for the future.

THAT would be the greatest apology you could offer.

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By: Yujiro Tsuneno http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2579 Yujiro Tsuneno Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:00:24 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2579 It's Day 4 in Kyoto: http://extasy07.exblog.jp/ It’s Day 4 in Kyoto:
http://extasy07.exblog.jp/

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By: LM http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2575 LM Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:15:44 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2575 What is interesting is not the percentage of faculty who support the protest- but the disciplines within which they are positioned. It is not at all surprising to me that the majority of professors are largely, but not exclusively, from disciplines within humanities and sciences, for those are the most under-funded and marginalized programs within the corporate university. Maybe the "hard sciences" as NYU ALUM points out, aren't concerned with financial transparency because they have multiple computer labs, endless resources and funds. Furthermore, for ANONYMOUS who claims that the above cited profs work six hour a week and earn 100k a year; you simply have absolutely not freaking idea what you are talking about. A great majority of these professors are my professors and they work their asses off. If you feel the need to comment try with all your might to make it substantial. This is obviously not a discussion that can be fully exhausted on a forum such as this. Regardless of the appropriateness of the protest, the supporting faculty is 100% right in that issues raised, particularly around fiscal responsibility, demand immediate attention. What is interesting is not the percentage of faculty who support the protest- but the disciplines within which they are positioned. It is not at all surprising to me that the majority of professors are largely, but not exclusively, from disciplines within humanities and sciences, for those are the most under-funded and marginalized programs within the corporate university. Maybe the “hard sciences” as NYU ALUM points out, aren’t concerned with financial transparency because they have multiple computer labs, endless resources and funds. Furthermore, for ANONYMOUS who claims that the above cited profs work six hour a week and earn 100k a year; you simply have absolutely not freaking idea what you are talking about. A great majority of these professors are my professors and they work their asses off. If you feel the need to comment try with all your might to make it substantial.
This is obviously not a discussion that can be fully exhausted on a forum such as this. Regardless of the appropriateness of the protest, the supporting faculty is 100% right in that issues raised, particularly around fiscal responsibility, demand immediate attention.

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By: Michael http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2568 Michael Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:07:48 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2568 Do we live in a democracy, or should the opinions from the minute minority be what we base our decisions on? I guess Take Back NYU are fascists or communists who intend to "help everyone" by making their decisions for them. I'm sorry, but I don't need you to "fight my battles" for me, and I'm a liberal. Do we live in a democracy, or should the opinions from the minute minority be what we base our decisions on?

I guess Take Back NYU are fascists or communists who intend to “help everyone” by making their decisions for them.

I’m sorry, but I don’t need you to “fight my battles” for me, and I’m a liberal.

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By: nyu alum http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2560 nyu alum Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:52:26 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2560 No econ either. Oh look, all the numbers oriented/hard sciences seem to have more important things to do than worry about 18 troublemakers being expelled. No econ either.

Oh look, all the numbers oriented/hard sciences seem to have more important things to do than worry about 18 troublemakers being expelled.

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By: Dave http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2547 Dave Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:56:27 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2547 Anonymous - While I can't speak about all professors everywhere, I'm a grad student in an engineering field at a school with similar demographics to NYU, and actual in-class teaching really is a tiny portion of what a faculty member is expected to do. My grad adviser does only spend a small amount of each week in the classroom, but spends many times that much time on research, preparing for classes, bringing in funding, and in research and administrative meetings, working WAY more than the standard 40/week. (Research is the vast majority of his responsibilities.) While there are probably valid criticisms that can be made about tenure, the idea that tenured faculty don't work very hard is completely invalid. Anonymous - While I can’t speak about all professors everywhere, I’m a grad student in an engineering field at a school with similar demographics to NYU, and actual in-class teaching really is a tiny portion of what a faculty member is expected to do. My grad adviser does only spend a small amount of each week in the classroom, but spends many times that much time on research, preparing for classes, bringing in funding, and in research and administrative meetings, working WAY more than the standard 40/week. (Research is the vast majority of his responsibilities.) While there are probably valid criticisms that can be made about tenure, the idea that tenured faculty don’t work very hard is completely invalid.

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By: Brent http://takebacknyu.com/2009/02/25/170-members-of-nyus-faculty-release-statement-petition-calling-for-reinstatement-of-suspended-take-back-nyu-students/#comment-2545 Brent Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:22:56 +0000 http://takebacknyu.com/?p=862#comment-2545 This is idiocy! Students agree to abide by the rules set by the administration when they are granted admission to any university - in essence, they agree to be governed by the administration. If they want to change things, there are avenues set up for doing so. Attendance at any university is a privilege, not a right. These students had no right to do what they did, and deserve whatever punishment they receive. This is idiocy! Students agree to abide by the rules set by the administration when they are granted admission to any university - in essence, they agree to be governed by the administration. If they want to change things, there are avenues set up for doing so. Attendance at any university is a privilege, not a right. These students had no right to do what they did, and deserve whatever punishment they receive.

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